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Obama - hope of the entire world?!?



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With friends like Farrakhan, Obama doesn't need any enemies! According to this story (click on link below), Farrakhan sees Obama as the "hope of the entire world". Coming from the leader of the Nation of Islam, that endorsement begs the question as to whether Obama is really a Muslim in Christian clothing. If he is Muslim, he should come out and say it. If not, say that also. The voters deserve to know.

http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/02/25/farrakhan-praises-obama-as-hop...

May 19, 2008 Update

My original post noted that Farrakhan (a Muslim) called Obama the "hope of the entire world". Since Farrakhan (and other radical Muslims) desire to have "the infidels" (i.e. non-Muslims) killed and done away with, I pointed out that with friends like Farakhan, Obama doesn't need any enemies.

This blog (like many blogs) has morphed beyond the original point, and in this case, it is now a full-blown discussion on the merits (or lack thereof) of an Obama presidency.

I do not apologize for questioning whether Obama is a Muslim. It was a fair question at the time, and, important to people who rightly fear the goals of radical Muslims like Farrakhan and Osama Bin Laden.


Interesting point, Savage...

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Interesting point, Savage Guy, but I believe Obama has set the record straight.
Here is a video from the Jan. 15, Democratic debate where Obama says he IS a Christian, he was sworn in on the Bible and does pledge allegiance to the American flag.
I remember hearing this speech and then I found it on snopes. Here is the link, www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp.
The video at the bottom of the page.
This Web site does a good job debunking rumors.


Submitted by shawn hogendorf on February 25, 2008 - 1:10pm.

Thanks Shawn, I have read...

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Thanks Shawn, I have read the snopes info on Obama previously and frankly was convinced he was not a Muslim until Farrakhan called him the hope of the entire world. I also know that Obama has sought to distance himself from Farrakhan's past statements. I just would be nervous if I was Obama because most voters do not have a favorable impression of Farrakhan and he just called Obama the hope of the entire world so it makes it sound like they are friends.


Submitted by Savage Guy on February 25, 2008 - 2:04pm.

The Internet is a great...

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The Internet is a great place, where you can find whatever your heart desires. Here's a link that talks about the information out there regarding Barack Obama's upbringing and religious background: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
Please read the whole thing ... as there's a lot of detailed information here.


Submitted by Nancy Huddleston on February 25, 2008 - 1:16pm.

You have got to be kidding...

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You have got to be kidding me, Savage Guy. To sit here and question whether Obama is Muslim is - I thought - beneath even you. Your posts are ludicrous, divisive and not worthy of a response. I, for one, am done playing your ridiculous game. No wonder you don't use your real name. I'm sure it's easier to post trash like this using an anonymous user name. This represents everything that is wrong with this society. I won't lower myself to your level anymore.


Submitted by Mark Nesvig on February 25, 2008 - 1:41pm.

For all logically challenged...

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For all logically challenged or unintentionally obtuse blog posters, I'm posting under my real name (for whatever credibility that confers - none). Irrespective of Savage Guy's posts (this applies to all logical discourse), to successfully refute an argument you need to address the merits of it with counter arguments supported by facts/evidence. It is not sufficient to disregard the argument by deeming the messenger not credible and replying with unsupported opinion. The messenger may or may not be credible, but that is not relevant. Stick to the argument and facts. The idea is what matters, not the messenger.


Submitted by Mark White on May 28, 2008 - 12:39pm.

I am not a pick up my toys...

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I am not a pick up my toys and go home guy like you Nesvig, so I will respond.

Why is it a problem to question whether he Obama is a Muslim or not? Did you happen to notice that it was radical Muslims who carried out 9/11, the bombing of the USS Cole, the first trade center attack in 1993, the invasion of Kuwait, and on and on?!? The least you could do is explain why questioning whethter Obama is a Muslim is a problem from your perspective. But as is typical for you, instead you just criticize me or my posts rather than formulate and write cogent responses.

Whenever you are ready to get back in the game, feel free to write. In the meantime, I will keep posting truthful, thoughtful and timely information as I see fit.

As for my not using my real name, if you check most of the posts here and on most blogs under the sun, most people don't use their real name. If you criticize me for it, I guess you are criticizing the majority of the people who post to blogs because most people don't use their real name. Frankly, my name is none of your business. You could choose to post anonymously but you don't. It's a free country.


Submitted by Savage Guy on February 25, 2008 - 2:01pm.

Actually, using a name, as...

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Actually, using a name, as opposed to an alias, gives a person credibility.
There's a reason why letters to the editor are required to be signed, why anonymous sources are extremely rare in news stories and why columns are accompanied with a name and a photo. Stating beliefs, feelings or thought processes are much easier to do when you don't have your own identity associated with it and people just view you as some guy with an opinion. Owning your statements is a vital part to making a worthy statement, if you're nothing more than a guy, what authority does your voice have?


Submitted by Keighla Schmidt on February 25, 2008 - 3:31pm.

I have written letters to...

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I have written letters to the editor of the Pacer, the American, the Strib, etc. and have been happy to include my name when doing so. The blogosphere allows the writer to shoot from the hip (as it were) without having to worry if some nut job is going to egg your house or even worse. It is a free exchange of ideas without having to worry about someone coming after you or your family if they disagree with you. In this day and age of online predators, one can't be too careful.

Again, browse for yourself on any number of blogs and you will see that the vast majority of people post anonymously and many of them write very well and obviously have an impact because people write to reply to their posts.


Submitted by Savage Guy on February 25, 2008 - 3:48pm.

A real name equals...

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A real name equals credibility in the real world, which means you take responsibility for your work. The Internet world is different, thus you can post as Savage Guy and not by your real name and without the full benefit of credibility. That's an option you are choosing with your posts on this web site. By the way, when's the last time you sent me a letter to the editor?


Submitted by Nancy Huddleston on February 25, 2008 - 5:40pm.

According to this excerpt...

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According to this excerpt from an article in the WSJ today, Senator Obama has denounced Minister Farrakhan. Bravo Senator Obama. I have to give you credit for that statement.

"Asked during the debate whether he accepted the endorsement that he received from Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, who has made anti-Semitic remarks, Sen. Obama issued a blunt rejection: "I have been very clear in my denunciation of Minister Farrakhan. I did not solicit his support." The issue has been a sensitive one for Sen. Obama, who met with Jewish leaders Saturday in Cleveland."


Submitted by Savage Guy on February 27, 2008 - 8:16am.

I never thought I would say...

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I never thought I would say "you go girl" to Angelina Jolie but "you go girl!". She recently visited Iraq and urged that we stay in Iraq in an Op-Ed piece in the Washington Post.

"My visit left me even more deeply convinced that we not only have a moral obligation to help displaced Iraqi families, but also a serious, long-term, national security interest in ending this crisis.

Today's humanitarian crisis in Iraq--and the potential consequences for our national security--are great. Can the United States afford to gamble that 4 million or more poor and displaced people, in the heart of Middle East, won't explode in violent desperation, sending the whole region into further disorder? . . .

As for the question of whether the surge is working, I can only state what I witnessed: U.N. staff and those of non-governmental organizations seem to feel they have the right set of circumstances to attempt to scale up their programs. And when I asked the troops if they wanted to go home as soon as possible, they said that they miss home but feel invested in Iraq. They have lost many friends and want to be a part of the humanitarian progress they now feel is possible.

It seems to me that now is the moment to address the humanitarian side of this situation. Without the right support, we could miss an opportunity to do some of the good we always stated we intended to do."

Wow, that's quite a statement and quite a contrast from Barack Obama's stance. He said last summer that not even genocide was a good enough reason for us to stay in Iraq. And he would be our President?!?


Submitted by Savage Guy on March 3, 2008 - 11:52am.

Thanks, Savage Guy, for...

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Thanks, Savage Guy, for printing this to our attention. I think people forget that one of the missions of the U.S. military is to give humanitarian aid, which by the sounds of Angelina's commentary, is a future step in Iraq.


Submitted by Nancy Huddleston on March 3, 2008 - 1:30pm.

I wonder how Brad Pitt feels...

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I wonder how Brad Pitt feels about her stance.


Submitted by Lori Carlson on March 3, 2008 - 1:49pm.

Obama's weakness on national...

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Obama's weakness on national security and his "wink wink" to Canada on NAFTA hurt him in the Texas and Ohio votes yesterday. Looks like the train is running out of steam.

It's positively wonderful for the Republicans because Obama and Clinton will now have to bloody one another for awhile longer while McCain can focus on the general election. Who would have thought we would be where we are a year ago? Just proves the "political experts" are not always right!


Submitted by Savage Guy on March 5, 2008 - 10:17am.

Until a few days ago, many...

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Until a few days ago, many had thought that Clinton's train had run out of steam and to say that with Clinton doing well on Tuesday means that Obama's train is out of steam is just more media hype. As for McCain, time will tell how well he fares. The idea from Hillary on last night's "Daily Show" of a bi-partisan cabinet is intriguing but it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know that a politician will say anything for money or votes.


Submitted by bsorenson on March 5, 2008 - 12:55pm.

At lease Obama can say soon...

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At lease Obama can say soon to be former Governor Eliot Spitzer was NOT a supporter of his! Clinton can not make the same claim.

Another day, another Clinton apology for one of her campaign people saying something inappropriate. Now it's Geraldine Ferraro suggesting Obama wouldn't be where he is if it weren't for his race. This whole thing is unfolding like a dream for the Republicans!

Question: why is is when a Republican is caught up in a sex scandal (see Larry Craig coverage), the mainstream TV media mentions multiple times that he is a Republican, but when a Democrat is caught (see Eliot Spitzer coverage), there is almost no mention of the fact that he is a Democrat. Answer: because most of the mainstream media votes for Democrats and will do what they can to help their cause.


Submitted by Savage Guy on March 12, 2008 - 9:58am.

To quote the one and only...

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To quote the one and only George Costanza ...
"Remember Jerry, it's not a lie if you believe it."


Submitted by Tom Schardin on March 13, 2008 - 10:19am.

Don't believe me? Check out...

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Don't believe me? Check out the voting patterns for yourself. The majority of media employees vote Democrat in presidential elections.

http://www.mediaresearch.org/biasbasics/biasbasics3.asp#TV%20and%20Newsp...


Submitted by Savage Guy on March 13, 2008 - 12:40pm.

Well, I guess that proves it...

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Well, I guess that proves it then. You just disrepected the "majority of media employees" who'd rather pur their personal biases into the work because of how they vote on election day, as opposed to trying to do a good job. And this happens 365 days of the year.

I'm sure you'll say Fox News is completely objective too.

And really what does this all prove? Of course, I do remember the media burying its head in the sand during the Clinton-Lewinski messl. The media didn't cover that at all.

You're right-wing propaganda isn't working.


Submitted by Tom Schardin on March 13, 2008 - 5:08pm.

Tom, You actually made his...

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Tom,
You actually made his point twice.
First, an objective study of media bias has shown that fox is infact the least bias. A UCLA study published in the Quarterly Journal of Economics showed that media bias does in fact exist.

And as for Monica, the press and especially Newsweek did indeed spike the story until the alternative media broke the story and they were forced to cover it.


Submitted by Robert Thibodeaux on March 13, 2008 - 5:22pm.

Interesting ... it's in the...

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Interesting ... it's in the third paragraph of the MSN story, but that mention is associated with the Lt. Gov.'s name. Then it's in the fifth paragraph, where there is information about Republicans jumping on the opportunity to make hay about it.
I also find it interesting that if the governor of New York or California is in the news, it's national news. But if the governor of Iowa or some other mid-western state was in the same predicament, it wouldn't merit a mention in the national media. The same pattern is followed with weather. If there's flooding the California or a snow storm in New York, the national media makes it a top story of the evening newscast. But when it's 30 below here, maybe a mere mention.


Submitted by Nancy Huddleston on March 12, 2008 - 12:18pm.

I understand your point...

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I understand your point about New York and California constantly in the national media spotlight, Nancy, but I would tend to disagree that a governor from any state could slip under the national media radar if they spent $80,000 on prostitutes.


Submitted by shawn hogendorf on March 12, 2008 - 9:48pm.

Obama continue to rack up...

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Obama continue to rack up some pretty impressive endorsements! Check out this excerpt from a Wall Street Journal article today.

"Obama Gets Another Endorsement
Unlike Bill Richardson, Shaaban Abdel Rahim is not a superdelegate. In fact, he's not even an American voter. But he has thrown his support behind Barack Obama for president, as Slate's Christopher Beam explains:

Rahim, best known for his controversial political songs and outrageous style, will soon release a new track celebrating the end of Bush's presidency--and endorsing Obama. In an interview last week with Dar Al-Hayat, Rahim said that Obama is (roughly translated) "a good man, kindhearted, and better than Bush."
Rahim, also known by his nickname "Shaabolla," gained international notoriety in 2000 when he released the song "I Hate Israel." (The song's subtitle, "But I love Amr Moussa," refers to Egypt's former foreign minister and head of the Arab League.) Since then, he's had a rocky relationship with Egypt's censors. They allowed "Israel" to be broadcast but banned his follow-up tune praising Osama Bin Laden. (Its chorus: "Bin Bin Bin Bin Bin Bin Laden.") Other songs he has rolled out include "Hey People, It Was Only a Tower" after 9/11, "Don't Hit Iraq" in 2003, and "We Are All Out of Patience" about the Mohammed cartoon controversy in 2006.
Now, of course, Obama didn't seek out this endorsement, and presumably would prefer not to have it. But it does, as Beam notes, cast a not altogether favorable light on the argument some of Obama's supporters make that "a President Obama would change the way the world looks at America."

It also points to a curiosity in the whole practice of political endorsements. If we're supposed to care that Bill Richardson endorsed Obama, why shouldn't we also care that Shaaban Abdel Rahim did?"

Obama's former pastor and guys like Rahim continue to give us glimpses of who Obama really is and what he believes. The poor Democrats are stuck with two lousy choices and, as usual in politics, will have to choose between the lesser of two evils.


Submitted by Savage Guy on March 28, 2008 - 8:39am.

The Democrats should be very...

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The Democrats should be very nervous if Senator Obama gets the nomination. As this Wall Street Journal opinion piece points out, Obama did not leave the church even after his minister said some very hateful things. Silence and incaction equals implied complicity and agreement in this case or any case where you have a choice over who you associate with and worship with and you choose not to leave in spite of intolerable things being said from the pulpit. Why didn't Obama leave? The "crazy uncle" argument doesn't work. You can't choose your relatives but you can choose your pastor.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120770107738700007.html?mod=opinion_main...


Submitted by Savage Guy on April 9, 2008 - 7:49am.

You can't make it up! Obama...

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You can't make it up! Obama effectively alienated Christians and gun owners all in a matter of seconds! This might be the opening Clinton needs to regain momentum. One thing is certain. The majority of Americans that live in small towns aren't going to be voting for Obama!

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/12/clinton-team-lunges-at-obama-hun...


Submitted by Savage Guy on April 12, 2008 - 6:34pm.

As the following Wall Street...

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As the following Wall Street Journal editorial points out, the mainstream media continues to treat Obama with kid gloves and those who would ask legitimate questions of Obama with incredulity and condemnation. The good news is that the media only has so much power to protect their prized candidate. Eventually, the truth has come out about Obama and it isn't helping his campaign. Clinton and Obama will continue to duke it out all the way to the convention while McCain campaigns relatively unscathed. A nightmare for the Democrats and a dream for the Republicans.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120891044439036617.html?mod=hpp_us_insid...


Submitted by Savage Guy on April 23, 2008 - 8:10am.

I think the mainstream media...

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I think the mainstream media is treating both Democratic candidates very gingerly and it doesn't lean one way or another. In fact, I don't know that the mainstream media knows what to do with two popular Democratic candidates! Let's face it, the mainstream media has become complacent in terms of political coverage. The presidential candidates have been chosen long before the conventions for decades. Now we have two Democrats duking it out until the end? The mainstream media doesn't know what to do! Go for the new guy who evokes emotions in them about the beloved Kennedys? Or go for another Clinton, who is a woman who might make history and allow the headline writers to use 100 point bold type when the first woman is elected president so that they can recreate the "Dewy defeats Truman" picture that is ingrained in newspaper history. I think it's great!


Submitted by Nancy Huddleston on April 23, 2008 - 9:40am.

Is bombing charming? I...

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Is bombing charming? I don't think so and I think most people would agree. However, Obama's professor friends (and former bombers) Dohrn and Ayers are described as "charming" my most people who meet them. As this letter to the Wall Street Journal published on May 5, 2008 illustrates, not everyone agrees that charm should negate the heinous crime of bombing. It (again) calls in to question Obama's choice of friends and people with whom he chooses to associate.

"Charming Bombers, But What of Victims?
Elizabeth Wurtzel ("Obama's Other Radical Friends," op-ed, May 2) can be forgiven her youthful fascination with radical bomber Bernardine Dohrn. We all have ideas at 15 that seem silly from the perspective of middle age. Barack Obama's reported close relationship with Ms. Dohrn and Bill Ayers is much more troubling and raises legitimate questions about his judgment and maturity.

In a 33-year law-enforcement career I had occasion to arrest many charming criminals. One of the most engaging was a California radical, rapist and prison escapee associated with the Symbionese Liberation Army (remember them?) who was living in Louisiana. When, after an intensive undercover investigation, I confronted him with his true name, he stuck out his hand and said "You must have talked to them in Oakland." Indeed I had, and what I learned was chilling.

From all accounts, Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn are equally charming. That does not nullify their crimes. Placing a bomb is one of the most evil of acts because the effects of a bomb are totally indiscriminate and incredibly devastating. Just ask a young Iraq War veteran who will live the rest of his or her life minus body parts. Just ask the families of those killed by Timothy McVeigh in the Federal Building in Oklahoma City.

There is little moral difference between Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn and McVeigh. Timothy McVeigh was simply a less charming individual and a more successful bomber. He received just punishment for his crime. Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn did not.

Greg Phares
Baton Rouge, La."


Submitted by Savage Guy on May 5, 2008 - 9:28am.

Obama and Clinton want...

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Obama and Clinton want socialized medicine for the USA. Canada has socialized medicine. Toronto's Globe and Mail has a story illustrating why that is such a bad idea.

"More than 100 Canadian women with high-risk pregnancies have been sent to United States hospitals over the past year--in what a doctors' group attributes to the lack of a national birthing plan. The problem has peaked, with British Columbia and Ontario each sending a record number of women to U.S. neonatal intensive care units (NICUs). Specifically, 80 B.C. women have been sent to U.S. hospitals since April 1, 2007; in Ontario, 28 have been sent since January of 2007, according to figures from the respective health ministries. André Lalonde, executive vice-president of the Society of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists of Canada, said the problem is due to bed closings that took place almost a decade ago, the absence of a national birthing initiative and too few staff. "Neonatologists are very stretched right now," Dr. Lalonde said in a telephone interview from Ottawa. "We're so stretched, it's kind of dangerous.""

Sounds like a great health care system! Let's try it here in the USA......not!


Submitted by Savage Guy on May 7, 2008 - 7:31am.

What would you suggest for...

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What would you suggest for health care?


Submitted by shawn hogendorf on May 8, 2008 - 10:24pm.

I would suggest what they...

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I would suggest what they are doing in Massachusetts, requiring everyone to have insurance and subsidizing it for those who can't afford it.


Submitted by Savage Guy on May 9, 2008 - 12:07pm.

Clinton continues to hang on...

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Clinton continues to hang on for dear life. She doesn't know how to lose or quit so I can understand why it is hard for her to admit failure in this case.

Meanwhile, Obama is trying to act and talk like the democratic nominee. He is fortunate the Rev. Wright thing came out during the democratic nomination contest rather than being sprung on the American public during the general election contest. Nonetheless, the fact remains that he sat under this man's teaching for years, called him all kinds of wonderful things in a speech about a year ago, and only now is distancing himself from the man due to the "inconvenient truth" of what he believes! It would seem that he has gone to the Clinton school of flip flopping. Only time will tell if the American public will remember in November.


Submitted by Savage Guy on May 14, 2008 - 8:01am.

Meanwhile, John McCain has...

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Meanwhile, John McCain has NOT distanced himself from pastor John Hagee, who has made all kinds of hateful comments toward large segments of the American public.


Submitted by Mark Nesvig on May 14, 2008 - 8:12am.

Here's the difference....

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Here's the difference. McCain's pastor said he was sorry (see article below). Obama's pastor not only did NOT apologize; he defended and expanded on his dubious remarks!

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-mccain14-2008may1...


Submitted by Savage Guy on May 14, 2008 - 8:21am.

Oh, he said he was sorry....

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Oh, he said he was sorry. Well, then that changes EVERYTHING. And it wasn't much of an apology. He said he was sorry if anyone was offended. That's not really an apology. For what it's worth, I don't think either candidate should somehow be held accountable for what those in some way associated with them say or do. But you can't have it both ways. You can't play gotcha with Obama and then give McCain a free pass. You can certainly try, and you clearly are, but it won't work.


Submitted by Mark Nesvig on May 14, 2008 - 8:32am.

McCain is accountable for...

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McCain is accountable for who he chooses to associate with (i.e. his pastor) just as Obama is accountable. Again, the difference is one made a mistake and admitted it. The other one defended his mistake and expanded on it. Only then did Obama distance himself from his pastor. It is similar to how Kerry voted against the war before he voted for it, and how Clinton is now against the war when before......she was for it. Right out of the democratic playbook. Read the polls and change your position. When the polls reverse themselves, change your position again. Repeat. No strength of conviction.


Submitted by Savage Guy on May 14, 2008 - 9:16am.

The Democrats have a lot to...

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The Democrats have a lot to worry about in November. Their presumptive nominee is Obama and he will not get the vote of most people in small town and rural America. As it said in a Star Tribune article today,

"...maybe the Obama camp should be more worried. The voters who went against Obama Tuesday night — white, rural, older, low-income and without college degrees — don't just live in West Virginia. They live everywhere in the country, in places Obama needs to win."


Submitted by Savage Guy on May 14, 2008 - 9:26am.

Who are you trying to...

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Who are you trying to convince? Maybe you should just sit back and enjoy this run-up to the supposedly inevitable McCain presidency.


Submitted by Mark Nesvig on May 14, 2008 - 9:29am.

As someone who cares deeply...

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As someone who cares deeply about this country, I will do anything but sit back. The next president will probably pick one or two supreme court justices, appoint many federal judges, and help shape public policy for the USA at least in the near term as it pertains to national security, immigration, health care, social security, taxes and many other important issues. I will do everything in my power to make sure McCain is elected president rather than Obama or Clinton.


Submitted by Savage Guy on May 14, 2008 - 9:37am.

You say that Obama only...

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You say that Obama only distanced himself from Wright for political reasons, but you don't say that Hagee only "apologized" for political reasons. Interesting. And you also criticize Democrats for flip-flopping when they read the polls, but you said in a different post that McCain is only talking about global warming now that it's something people are concerned with. That sounds like the definition of flip-flopping, especially since he a has long track record of voting against doing anything about the environment. Again, you can't have it both ways. You can't pick and choose what to express outrage over in one candidate while ignoring it in another. Well, obviously you can, but I don't think there's a lot of credibility in doing that.


Submitted by Mark Nesvig on May 14, 2008 - 9:28am.

You continue to miss the...

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You continue to miss the point, so I will explain it again and try to be more clear. Hagee apologized. Wright did not apologize. McCain's pastor apologized for insensitive remarks. Obama's pastor did not apologize for insensitive remarks and made more insensitive remarks. Clearly Rev. Wright is a man of conviction and has believed these things about America, 9/11, racism, etc. for a long time, and, Obama has continued to associate with him. Rev. Hagee recognized the error of his ways and apologized. Big difference.

As for McCain and global warming, you'll need to give some examples of his "track record" on voting against the environment. I am only familiar with the fact that he has been a maverick on a number of issues including the environment, and as such, does not always toe the Republican party line. I like that about him. It isn't flip flopping. It is independent thinking. Again, big difference.


Submitted by Savage Guy on May 14, 2008 - 9:33am.

You're missing my point,...

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You're missing my point, which is that Hagee's "apology" is meaningless. To suggest that Hagee recognized the error of his ways is laughable at best. He's been questioned about his comments for months now and was given opportunity after opportunity to apologize. He refused. He stood by his comments. Then, after obvious political pressure, he caved in and gave an "apology" that no one believes or accepts - except, of course, people who already back McCain and bash Obama for his ties to Wright and need to find a way to make these two situations different.

As for McCain's history on the environment, his votes are a matter of public record.

Here's some info. I'm sure you'll question this so-called scorecard by the League of Conservation Voters, but that doesn't change the facts in regards to McCain's voting record (or lack thereof):

Sen. McCain of Arizona, the likely Republican nominee, rated a zero out of 100 for his votes on environmental issues last year, the League of Conservation Voters said in the group's national environmental scorecard.

Over the course of his Senate career, his score was a 24 percent, compared to lifetime scores of 87 percent for Clinton and 86 percent for Obama, both Democrats.

The Democratic candidates scored lower in 2007, with Sen. Clinton of New York scoring 73 percent for her votes and Sen. Obama of Illinois getting 67 percent, the report found.

McCain has sponsored legislation to combat climate change, and is described on his campaign Web site, www.johnmccain.com, as having a "record of common sense stewardship" of the environment.

However, he missed all 15 environmental votes for 2007 that were tallied in the report, including a vote on repealing billions of dollars in tax breaks for big oil companies, a measure that failed by one vote, the report said.

By contrast, Obama and Clinton each missed four of the 15 key votes on the environment last year, and both were on hand to vote for a version of an energy bill that would have repealed the oil companies' tax breaks.


Submitted by Mark Nesvig on May 14, 2008 - 9:48am.

Who are you to deem an...

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Who are you to deem an apology "meaningless"? The apology was meaningful to who it was meaningful to including, for example, Catholics who have publicly accepted the apology. Do you speak for all Catholics? I didn't think so.

You're right, I will question the League of Conservation Voters scorecard because they are a left-wing environmental group that is one of the lobbying groups partly to blame for the fact that we haven't built a new refinery in this country for 30 years, haven't started storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain yet, and haven't started drilling in ANWR yet. They have a very specific agenda and any scorecard by them has a definite lean to the left.

That said, McCain's voting record on the environment is his record and I don't have a problem with it.


Submitted by Savage Guy on May 14, 2008 - 10:40am.

Oh, I see. So Hagee's...

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Oh, I see. So Hagee's apology is meaningful, but Obama renouncing his former pastor's comments and cutting all ties with him is not? Gotcha. Just wanted to be clear.


Submitted by Mark Nesvig on May 14, 2008 - 1:09pm.

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In both cases, I would say better late than never. Problem is, Wright never apologized; in fact, he expanded on his heinous, hurtful and horrific statements. Obama sat under Wright's teaching for years and knew what he believed and yet he remained under his teaching. If that is what he was comfortable listening to week in and week out, God help us if Obama becomes the President of the United States.

To put things in to further perspective about Obama's beliefs, he sees religious faith as something that people "cling" to because they are upset about the economy rather than something they really believe in. Again, God help us if Obama becomes the President of the United States.


Submitted by Savage Guy on May 14, 2008 - 1:18pm.

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I must address this statement: "God help us if Obama becomes president."

Is this a joke? Unfortunately, I fear that it is not. I am so sick and tired of Republicans who try to claim God as theirs and no one elses. The Republican Party is the party of God, the party of morals, the party of all that is holy in this world... I guess that is what we are supposed to believe. And if anyone ever dares to question anything the Republicans do, well, then they must hate America.

Fortunately, the American people are starting to wake up to this nonsense. It would be hard not to with everything going on these days. Contrary to what some Republicans say, hypocrisy and moral corruption are not unique to one party, and sinners do not reside in just one party.

But if you listen to the blowhards like Rush Limbaugh and some of his apparent followers on message boards like these all over the country, you'd think God is the chairman of the Republican National Party.

Well, he is not. To say "God help us" if the Democratic candidate wins the White House is offensive and divisive. It is just more of the same fear tactics and holier than thou attitude that has led the Republican Party to begin hemorrhaging seats in the House and Senate with virtually every election across the country. It has taken a while, but people have finally had enough of this song and dance.

I am sure that the nomination of Mr. Obama will ratchet up the partisan nonsense from the Republicans even more in the months to come. We're already seeing signs of it. And Mr. McCain is also morphing into George W. Bush more and more with each passing day.

With the economy in the shape that it is in and a never-ending war in Iraq going on and on and on, it is no wonder that Republicans don't want to talk about the real issues. Instead, they want to throw sand in the eyes of Americans in an attempt to get them to focus on things like lapel pins.

But most people are already showing that they are smarter than that, and they will get their chance to have their voices heard loud and clear in November. Until then, God bless us all!


Submitted by Right Is Wrong on May 14, 2008 - 8:52pm.

And Obama has denounced the...

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And Obama has denounced the comments emphatically and said that in no way does he share those views. But that apparently doesn't matter to you, because you appear to be trying to make your argument fit your predetermined conclusion. You stand up and support John McCain even though you don't agree with everything he's done or said, but I guess Obama isn't extended the same courtesy. Of course, the big difference here is that Obama has actually denounced some of Wright's comments, whereas you've made excuses (in another thread) for McCain's equally disturbing and divisive comments. You simply aren't holding McCain or yourself to the same standard you apply to Obama. I don't care what side of the aisle people sit on (if either), but I would like to see them judge everyone with the same set of standards.


Submitted by Mark Nesvig on May 14, 2008 - 2:37pm.

It took Obama years to...

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It took Obama years to denounce Wright and distance himself from him and only after political pressure to do so (not to mention running for President) and only after Wright did not apologize. You don't address the issue of what it means for Obama to have sat under this man's teaching for all those years, seemingly in agreement with him. You also don't address Obama pulling a Jesse Ventura (i.e. "religion is for the weak minded") and alienating religious people (and gun owners) all in one fell swoop when he made his "clinging" comments. Guess addressing those issues woudn't fit your pre-determined conclusion.

What McCain said is not very disturbing if you consider what he endured in the Hanoi Hilton. Even if it does disturb you and others, McCain apologized. Get over it. Wright did not apologize; that's why people won't get over what he said, nor will they get over the fact that Obama stuck with him and attended his church as long as he did.


Submitted by Savage Guy on May 14, 2008 - 3:53pm.

What McCain said is not very...

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What McCain said is not very disturbing? I think I'll let that stand on its own.


Submitted by Mark Nesvig on May 14, 2008 - 4:31pm.

Might I ask ... isn't the...

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Might I ask ... isn't the separation of church and state being mixed together here?


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